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February 23, 2010

The Deadliest Warrior’s advanced computer simulation

Filed under: Entertainment — Tags: , , , , — allthatiswrong @ 2:36 am

Recently I watched all nine episodes of Spike TV’s The Deadliest Warrior. The show has an interesting and unique concept, pitting warriors from various periods of history against each other in combat when they never would have had a chance to meet in real life. Examples from the shows first season are Pirates Vs Knights and Apaches Vs Gladiators. Unfortunately the most anticipated meetup of Pirates Vs Ninjas was nowhere to be seen,although there is always hope for season 2.

Mostly the show is an excuse to test weapons and destroy things which is harmless fun, as well as being a bit educational. The reason for testing the various weapons, and recording their various characteristics is to feed them into an advanced computer simulation which took five years to develop. Hmm. This immediately held my interest and I was interested to find out more about it.

Unfortunately this also aroused my suspicion, as in charge of this advanced battle simulator five years in the making was 21 year old computer whiz kid/programmer Max Geiger. Max’s part in running the simulation seemed to be nothing more than inputing the data recorded from testing the weapons, and holding pgdn on a large O.org Calc spreadsheet when the camera was nearby. I was also curious when in one episode Max talked about having to add new aspects to the code to deal with a particular weapon.

This must be quite a flexible simulation if it supported adding modules on the fly to deal with new combat scenarios. It must also be quite easy to program for if someone who wasn’t involved in the development of the simulation can program a module within the time it take to film an episode. After searching to try and find out more about this advanced computer simulation, I came across this blog by Martial Development.

The article reveals that The Deadliest Warriors advanced computer simulation five years in the making is nothing more than a slightly tweaked version of the PC game Great Battles of Rome. It certainly was not designed with complex battle simulations in mind, is in no way advanced for the tasks it is being applied to and five years in development comes to mean that it was patched occasionally. This is quite disappointing. I’m not sure what I was expecting, but certainly not an out of date subpar RPG.

I do disagree with a fundamental point made in the Martial Development article, which argues that running a simulation 1000 times is unnecessary and an advanced simulation should get it correct the first time. I disagree with this because chance plays a large part in every combat situation, more so depending on the weapons and warriors competing. It would be necessary to run a simulation more than once to eliminate the possibility of unusual luck and obtain a more accurate average.

Getting back to the show however…it is an interesting concept. It is interesting and entertaining to see just what these weapons from history can do and just how much damage they would do to a human being. The show doesn’t have to make excuses for what it is, nor does it have to present its findings as reliable or insignificantly accurate. So why all the misdirection regarding their advanced computer simulation five years in the making, and why make it the focal point of the show?

People were going to find out it was nothing more than a subpar game sooner or later…why not be honest with this information from the start? The concept and results are still interesting and entertaining and it would seem nothing would be lost by just being honest. Instead we have a 21 year old doing data entry posing as an advanced programmer with special access to an extremely advanced battle simulation. Sigh.

That also relates to one more thing I don’t get about the show. Why is the guy doing the data entry one of the judges? I get the Doctor being a judge, and the guy with a biomedical background….but why the guy doing data entry? None of these guys seem to have a great understanding of martial arts, but at least two of them have an excellent understanding of the human body. Max’s opinion seems to be simply uninformed speculation, so why does he weigh in on the decisions?

It’s a fun show to watch, and I look forward to season 2. I do think it was disappointing for a simulation that was hyped up so much that it simply turned out to be a game, but C’est La Vie.

15 Comments »

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    Send Spike TV an email we want to see Viking on the show again and done correctly.

    Comment by Thrand — April 1, 2010 @ 2:43 am

  2. also my original ones as well

    Enjoy😛

    Comment by Thrand — April 1, 2010 @ 2:44 am

    • Hi Thrand,

      Thanks for the video links, the one I checked out was quite interesting.

      I’ve just edited your comments so the clips were not embedded, as it kind of wrecks the page.

      Everything else including the links is exactly as you had it though. Keep up the good work.

      Comment by allthatiswrong — April 4, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

      • allthatiswrong thanks Glad you enjoyed the videos😛 I really did not mean to have them embedded sorry.

        Comment by Thrand — April 5, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

  3. OMG THRAND did you find every single blog about this show to defend your culture. Ya your people were great warriors, fierce skilled fighters, yet its not like they faced off against a skilled army. They pulled sneak attacks on families and inspired fear, but so did the mongols. Except they managed to conquer a large area of land, not just steal from innocent people(they did that too). To me they are no better than modern gangbangers ruining life for good people trying to live a good life. Lets steal rape and kill instead of actually building a prominent civilization. I like viking culture but lets remembers they were murderous people. At least Samurai had a sense of honor.

    Comment by Rico — April 28, 2010 @ 1:00 am

  4. Thanks for the video links, the one I checked out was quite interesting.

    Comment by Katie Tam — May 4, 2010 @ 12:22 am

  5. The reply’s about Viking’s attacking families is untrue. The could not attack merchants, Women, children, farmers or peasants unarmed.This would be grounds for being outlawed.They did not rape women either in raids it has never been documented. The word Rapine was misunderstood and as rape it means to abduct or take away. The ideas of Honor of the Knight came over with William the conquer and many of those ideas came from the his scandianvian decent. However the accounts of them attacking Christian churches and monasteries is true. There was no law against that or attacking warrior other warriors or properties.The Vikings were pagan christian accounts make them out a s the devil him self.

    Comment by Thrand — May 28, 2010 @ 3:53 pm

  6. Thrand, your attempts at defending the VIking are laughable. Be glad it was the closest ancient matchup on the show. I thought the Samurai would win be a large margin.

    The article does not reveal “that The Deadliest Warriors advanced computer simulation five years in the making is nothing more than a slightly tweaked version of the PC game Great Battles of Rome.” Re-read the article and you will see the writer has no sources for his claims. He also admits that he’s taking a wild stab at how the simulation works, but still acts like his “research” is a fact.

    Comment by mvx248 — September 29, 2010 @ 9:14 am

    • mvx248,

      The source for my claim is actually the article over at Martial Development, which I linked to in my article. The author there actually explains his case in detail.

      Comment by allthatiswrong — September 29, 2010 @ 10:30 am

      • I’m not talking about your article, I’m talking about the article at Martial Development. There is no evidence to prove the simulator on Deadliest Warrior is a modified version of Great Battles of Rome. Like said in my previous post, he admitted he was just taking a wild stab at how the simulator worked.

        Comment by mvx248 — September 30, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

        • Ahh, OK. It is a stab, but not a wild one…I think it’s pretty likely. When you factor in that they hired a fledgling game studio to do the development and that there are no details about the simulator…, that we never see the simulator and when they “show” the simulator it is just a spreadsheet being scrolled through…

          I have no problem accepting that the simulator is a modified game. It seems likely and a strong argument can be made for it.

          Comment by allthatiswrong — October 2, 2010 @ 2:38 pm

          • Sorry to tell you mate, but your claims have very poor support. xD

            First, you left many areas vague and blank when supporting your side of the viking race, and that’s just it, that’s all you did, you’re not putting out nearly enough pros and cons for either aspect, so it’s not hard to tell you’re just another blogger pissing his pants, but i’ll go out of my way to school one.

            On the second note, the majority of your information is opinionated allover, and while yes, there’s nothing wrong at all with something stating their opinion on a blog (of course, that’s what it’s for), you’re manipulating fact and fiction with your own opinion, which makes most of it useless or pointless with going in depth to.

            As for defending the programming for the show, the reason they didn’t reveal much on it, can be several reasons, one being Max requested that his work didn’t make much of a showcase on the show for more than just doing it’s job, staying on focus with the point of the show, what you call “harmless fun and slightly educational”, is basically the entire show, while you’re watching trained professionals practicing their art, it’s just mindless slaying and brutal weapon use, to find out the Deadliest Warrior. -___- There’s no need to cover the topic of it’s code, what’s it’s engine base is or was from.

            Also, everything that spews from Max’s mouth is all “uninformed speculation” because the show isn’t finished yet mate? They’re still figuring out whose the baddest, try remembering why you’re watching the show.

            And I really don’t get, how you think that their simulator is some sort of “tweaked version” of Great Battles of Rome, I’ve played the game mate, tweak it a million times over if you want, the engine for the game has no use or function even remotely relating to a battle simulator, if anything was going to be leaked about what the simulator really turned out to be, this game would be the last one I would ever think of using.

            And all in all of course, I don’t see how any of just about anything you stated ties together or relates, what, viking didn’t win and you want to harass the tech? Obviously logical, and a must read considering every bit of the information you left, out of context.

            If you’re going to whine about it mate, a good hint, don’t post links to a site that basically puts down your entire blog and the effort you put into writing it.

            Well, I’m done for now, I gotta get back to math lecture as now my instructor is telling me something I don’t know for once.😛

            Also, don’t whine back if you can, also expect comments like mine when you jump on something like the internet. -__-

            Comment by Derrek Geiter — June 8, 2011 @ 10:19 am

            • I’m sorry you take this so seriously and subsequently, personally.

              If you are that easily fooled by someone scrolling through a spreadsheet, I don’t think there is anything that will change your mind.

              Comment by allthatiswrong — June 15, 2011 @ 11:12 am

        • If one dislikes the conclusion but cannot find any fault with the argument, it is easy to grumble about sources and evidence.

          I know the origin of their simulator, because they explained it themselves on their own website. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve deleted that explanation after I published my article.

          Comment by Martial Development — April 1, 2011 @ 3:15 pm

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    Comment by Elois Fludd — February 23, 2016 @ 8:18 pm


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